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A copy of Biblical Challenges on a forum


Don't you understand? It's not about me or even Jesus Christ. It's all about you. Because Jesus Christ suffered, died and rose again, not for Himself but for you.

In the thread, "If the universe was created mature..." people said there are contradictions in the Bible. I've heard this before. So I told Tag, Cruxman and yeman that I'm not willing to do hours of research to answer these so-called contradictions for people who aren't interested in the answer, only to slap on another claim from the internet. So I told them to give me ONE and one only, each.

I want you to know, I did not read your questions and think to myself, "Aha, I know the answer to that one..." and take this on.

I had no idea what the answers were. I just really felt led to say, "Choose ONE" and I had no clue what they would be.

It's just that I have done this before, and God has shown me answers. Not because of me, but because of you, Tag, Cruxman and yeman. This isn't about me. It's about you. And God's love for YOU.

So I'm going to go before the Creator of all the earth and ask Him, please show me. He's never let me down before, I hope He answers me again.

There are mysteries in the Bible, I think there might be a misspelling in the geneology by one character but other than that I haven't seen any contradictions. And throwing away all that the Lord has to give you over one character (if there even is a misspelling) is pretty tragic.

I may not have a credential, I'm not a pastor, I'm just a mom, and all I know is people try to make deals with God and say, "If you heal him/her, I'll tell everyone about it" and I think that's often what hinders a healing. God isn't in the business of selling Himself. He's not going to give you a miracle so you can use Him. He doesn't need a crowd following Him for a free fish sandwich because He and His disciples fed 5,000 out of five loaves and two fish the day before. He cleared out that disingenuous crowd real quick.

He wants a relationship with you. Don't you understand? There are beautiful songs that sing, "It's all about You, Jesus." But the truth is, this, this planet, this vapor of a life that you have, this opportunity to know the One True God, it's all about you.



Cruxman asked

How many pairs of each animal did Noah take on the ark? One or seven?

Gen 6
[19] And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
[20] Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

Gen 7
2] Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
[3] Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.


Thanks for your question Cruxman:

Noah's family being saved in the ark is a picture of us saved through Jesus Christ. There are a lot of comparisons. The ark was made of wood (so was the cross) The window (always looking up) one door (one way, Jesus Christ) God shut in Noah, (we are sealed with the Holy Spirit). God told Noah "Come into the ark" ( Jesus said, “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.” John 6:37)

Hebrews 11 says:
7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

God told Noah to take two of every sort or kind to be brought into the ark, male and female. (Notice they are referred to as "in kind" <--- THAT is where your evolution will never cross over)

God told Noah to take seven clean animals for sacrifice, not breeding.
Notice there is no talk of "in kind."

Genesis 8:
"20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar."

Also note the number "7" for sacrifice, because Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, Whom sacrificed for us, said seven things on the cross:

Luke 23:34 "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing"

Luke 24:43 "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise

Matthew 27:46 "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"

John 19:26-27 ""Woman, behold your son!...Behold your mother"

John 19:28 "I thirst"

John 19:30 "It is finished"

Luke 23:46 "Father, into Your hands I commit My Spirit"

The Old Testament points to Jesus the Christ.


Now for yguy's contradiction, yeman, this is for you from your God who loves you.

Originally Posted by yeman
Mt 16:1-4 vs Mark 8:10-13, as quoted previously, where in Matthew Jesus says this generation will be given the sign of Jonah, and in Mark says it won't be given any sign at all.

I could find nothing on this, a complete dead end, but it was answered in prayer.

After I post this I will post the backup of it.

Notice in the following scriptures that in each case except Mark's, Jesus said they were a "wicked and adulterous generation"


Matthew 16:1
4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.”


Luke 11:29
29And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

32The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.


Matthew 12:38

39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.


Mark:8:10 (the silent one about Jonah and evilness)

11 Then the Pharisees came out and began to dispute with Him, seeking from Him a sign from heaven, testing Him. 12 But He sighed deeply in His spirit, and said, “Why does this generation seek a sign? Assuredly, I say to you, no sign shall be given to this generation.”

The sign of Jonah was to be given an evil generation. The reason Mark was instructed not to include the sign of Jonah nor any condemnation of this evil generation is because Mark was writing to Christians in Rome. That's documented. ROME. Jerusalem was about to be destroyed by the Romans at the time that Mark wrote it. Rome, also as in Catholic Church. Mark, writing for God, was not to invite any persecution of the Jews in Jerusalem by describing them as an evil generation given the sign of Jonah.

Matthew was writing to the Jews; Luke was writing to the Greeks; Mark was writing to Rome. One could say Mark was being "politically correct" but in fact he was being obedient to God. All of the book of Mark handles descriptions of the Jewish people gently, especially compared to Matthew and John. I have not looked at Luke.

Originally Posted by yeman
Mt 16:1-4 vs Mark 8:10-13, as quoted previously, where in Matthew Jesus says this generation will be given the sign of Jonah, and in Mark says it won't be given any sign at all.

So why did Mark omit the "sign of Jonah" when Matthew did not:

Every verse in the Bible that shows Jesus said the only sign they would get would be the "sign of Jonah", also describes the Jews that received that sign as a wicked/adulterous/evil generation. So why did Mark omit all that?

People seem confused about what I'm saying. In a nutshell, God was not about to have Christian Romans perverting what Jesus said into an excuse to go after the Jews in that generation. There was a lot of persecution and Rome destroyed Jerusalem. Mark was not to give anyone a reason to hold a banner up over it and claim Jesus said it was "an evil/wicked or adulterous generation." That's why THE WHOLE BOOK OF MARK is so carefully written by Mark, because Mark was called to write to Roman Christians. God knew what was going to happen. He did not want what Jesus said taken out of context and used as an excuse to go after the Jews. Every Christian that persecuted the Jews is going to have to face God for it if not covered by grace. It was wrong. Is that more clear? Now people will say I write too much, sheesh.

Mark was no wimp. He wrote boldly rebuking Roman rulers but was obedient to writing what God told him regarding the Jews [nothing about evilness or the sign of Jonah]

Notice Mark candidly recorded the blame attributed to a Roman ruler, Herod Antipas, for immorality that led to the beheading of John. Mark had no problem placing blame on a Roman ruler, but Mark would not record that generation of Jews as an evil generation.*


Mark records how Jesus rebuked Peter (believed to be the first Pope) to "Get behind Me, Satan", but Mark would not record that generation of Jews as an evil generation.


The worst rebuke I could find in all of Mark was to the Pharisees:

He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘ This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. (Mk 7:6)

But Mark would not record that generation of Jews as an evil generation.


Mark records how Jesus' disciples could not cast out a mute spirit, Jesus said, "O faithless generation, how long shall I be wtih you? How long shall I bear with you?...and heals him. But Mark would not record that generation of Jews as an evil generation.


All four gospels show Jesus overturning tables, but Mark writes it delicately especially compared to John, and Mark would not record that generation of Jews as an evil generation.
(Mk 11:14, MT 21:12, LK 19:45, JN 2:13)


Mark records Jesus' warning to beware of the scribes as does Luke, but SO gently compared to Matthew's description of it to the Jews. (Mk 2:38, Mt 23:1-10, 14; Lk 20:45) And Mark would not record that generation of Jews as an evil generation.


Mark 14:27 Mark quotes Jesus on the night He was betrayed:

"All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night, for it is written: I will strike the Shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered'"

Here, Mark even quotes it is because of Christ, and Mark would not record that generation of Jews as an evil generation.


Again Mark quotes Jesus:
" I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.” <--- Mark shows Jesus is not blaming the Jews.
(Mk 14:49)

and Mark would not record that generation of Jews as an evil generation.


Matthew recorded that the people shouted "crucify Him" Pilate washed his hands of the blood of Jesus, all the people answered and said,

“His blood be on us and on our children.”

Mark omitted this as well and writes only "So they cried out again, “Crucify Him!” (Mk 15:13) (Mt 27:25)
and Mark would not record that generation of Jews as an evil generation.


Mark was the only one that quoted this conciliatory teaching of Christ:

Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.” But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is on our side. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward. (Mk 9:38)

and Mark would not record that generation of Jews as an evil generation.


For whatever reason, God does not record "the sign of Jonah" except as a sign to “An evil and adulterous generation that seeks after a sign"

Oh my gosh, even as I type this, I realize... God has just given us this sign.

WE ARE an evil and adulterous generation that seeks after signs.

Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, the "sign of Jonah" is the only sign we will be given.

And this is what God showed me about that before... http://www.blessedcause.org/BlessedC...of%20Jonah.htm

I am just stumbling along here...I don't mean to be flip but, are earthquakes starting to come like labor pains yet? I know we've had big ones lately, but increasing for a while, going quiet, increasing again then cycling like that faster and faster?

In any event, how can you explain what to me is the biggest problem in the Bible? (I guess this more of a factual error than a contradiction). The Bible tells us that all creatures were created at the same time as Adam. Nothing was created before him. How do you then explain the fact that dinosaurs existed millions of years before people?

Tag, can you change this a bit? This isn't a contradiction in the Bible. It's the "knowledge" of man. How do I ask God to explain to me the explanations of man? (Bible verses instantly come to mind, lol)

Tag's answer was no.


Question #3

Nutshell answer: Genesis 2:4

Dinosaurs did NOT live millions of years before people. They lived beginning about 6,000 years ago.

Do you know about the T.Rex bones not totally fossilized with blood cells and hemoglobin, COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE if it was millions of years old? http://www.montana.edu/news/1111699176.html

I have been reading a lot about scientific methods of dating, about isochrons with guessed "starting dates", or about molten rock in the Grand Canyon giving impossible results with modern techniques, or about excess argon screwing up test results, I could tell you about K-Ar Mount Ngauruhoe in New Zealand, how eruptions in 1949, 1954 and 1975 tested .27 to 3.5 million years old. I could talk about how radioisotope laboratories provide forms with sample submissions asking YOU how old you estimate the sample to be. Why? I could tell you about carbon dating and how the earth's magnetic field, cosmic rays and the GUESSED 14C levels contribute to flawed results. I could tell you how researchers just "throw out" samples that don't line up with their calculations. I could tell you how plants discriminate against carbon dioxide differently so scientists can just "guess & correct" manipulating tests any way they want.

But all of these variables are not that impressive to me, they just show that the data that is fed into these techniques is easily skewed. And that is why, if you don't calculate two events in history, you WILL get completely messed up results. And that is two events in the Bible. The flood would have greatly changed the carbon balance. Lowered 12C in biosphere, the 14C relative to 12C is greatly altered. But that's not the biggest cataclysm that is often overlooked.

The Bible says in Genesis 2:4:

"This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground."

From creation to the flood, the biosphere of the earth was radically different. There was no rain, there was mist that came from the ground and watered the whole face of the earth. You have been using techniques that do not account for the radical change between creation and the flood. If your test results are so skewed merely from the earth's magnetic field and solar radiation, imagine what a radically different physics of the earth watering itself would do. A change that apparently caused man to age differently. If you notice, the age of man according to the Bible slowly decreased, one naturally thinks the aging process changed but that's wrong. Earlier men lived longer before the flood than younger men who were born nearer to the flood. It was the flood that decreased their life span. And after the flood when life spans were seriously shortened, it was because of a radically different mix of radiation and mist. I can't imagine what it was like before the flood but it was drastically different than today.

So how did dinosaurs fit on the ark? Easy. The largest dinosaur egg is the size of a football. I don't believe Noah took eggs, but very young dinosaurs would fit easily.

Add to that the Bible names dinosaurs. The word "dinosaur" was not coined until 1611, so other words were used in the Bible/OT. Tan, tannin, tannim and tannoth is named in the Hebrew about 30 times. A "leviathan" is believed to be a Knonosaurus. Isaiah 30:6 describes one of the pterodactyls. A "behemoth" is claimed by some to be an elephant or a hippo, but those have small tails whereas the "behemoth" has the tail of a cedar, and is thought to be a Brachiosaurus. Meanwhile Petroglyphs (ancient cave drawings of dinosaurs) have been found on rock. But no "Brontosaurs", a made up dinosaur that was quietly removed from textbooks when it was discovered to be a mix-up of fossils.

And what about those embarrassing "living fossils", the occasional discovery of plants and life that crop up that science claimed to be extinct for hundreds of millions of years.

Tag, I asked you if you would change your question a bit. This isn't a contradiction in the Bible. It's the "knowledge" of man. How was I supposed to ask God to explain to me the explanations of man? The Bible verses that came to my mind are:

"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know!"
"Scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:
'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

(Job 38:4, 2 Peter 3:3, 1 Corinthians 1:18)